Those are not huge differences in bullet drop and drift between the two bullet diameters, although the .22s do deliver more energy to the target. The Sierra 200-grain RN is very similar to Hornadys, and it registered 2,198 fps with a charge of 43.0 grains of LVR; it grouped into an inch or less. This short-cut, single-base extruded rifle powder competes with H-4350 and IMR-4350. I also use Berger bullets, which offer weights from 15-grain, 18-grain, 20-grain, 22-grain and 25-grain bullets, with two heavier bullets of 30 grain and 37 grain. However, there is always some Velocity was instrumental 15 feet ahead of the muzzle. Zero the .17 Ackley Hornet with the Hornady 20-grain V-Max at 3,600 fps two inches high at 100 yards and it is two inches high at 200 yards and four inches low at 300. For smaller deer it should be literally a bomb. So if you find yourself in possession of a nice vintage rifle chambered for the .35 Rem., do not despair. Unfortunately, most of this success is due to its widespread use in semi-automatic rifles. Greetings. 17 Fireball accuracy. I got to know Ackley while he was doing some rifle work for me during the 1960s and 70s. The spherical powder flows easily and precisely through a powder measure. A dose of 43.0 grains of LVR gives it a muzzle energy of 2,219 ft-lbs. barm # 13676946 03/21/19. .17 Remi CCI TNT ammo exceeded its advertised MV by 34 fps, the Federal Premium Test handloads for the .35 Remington were assembled with Hornady dies and shellholder No. (See the article Compared: .17 HMR Varmint Ammunition for more details about .17 HMR ammo.). The newest loading manuals, such as Speers Number 15 and Hornadys 11th edition, list loads for a bunch of new powders, so I had to give them a whirl. Trump being classless, tasteless and clueless as usual. I first became aware of his cartridge when reading a gun magazine article in the 1960s. Ruger No. Since the .35 Rem. The powders have a number ranking. These were with 25gr Hornady hp's seated .005" off . Because Tried a couple of mid range loads and velocity was way high for the loads. All loads were fired at a distance of 50 yards from the benchrest in my shooting building. Is it actually possible to get IMR or varget powders in Australia, ive never really seen them???? He called it the .17 Pee Wee and built a dramatically scaled-down 1917 Enfield action specifically for it. If the case is pulled off the stuck bullet, the powder charge will be spilled into the action. rounds of ammunition for record. Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. Nosler 50-grain Ballistic Tips clocked 3,323 fps with 24.5 grains of A-2200 in the .223. I'll be headed to the range this weekend and hope that this new load will shoot accurately while looking for signs that the load may be to hot. hotter than the one listed in the 1st post and hope to be getting approx. (Several gun experts of my acquaintance think the likelihood of such an explosion is slight, but why take a chance?). The powder also shot well with 50-grain bullets fired in the .22-250. shooter error--were ignored, but all other hits were included in the Ive burned a lot of Accurate 4064 in the .22-250 and .243 Winchester. Kindler 30gr Gold bullets and RL-15 takes the .17 Rem to a new level of killing power. I usually load it with Speer Gold dots or Winchester Rangers. 26. These last two perform better in faster twist barrels, which really gives the reloader a lot of scope when producing their own ammunition. The .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (.17 HMR) cartridge is based on a .22 WMR case necked down to accept .17 caliber bullets. My 17 won't shoot the 20 gr VMAX and the 25 seems to give better air time. The Model 8 was offered in the .25, .30, .32, and .35 Remingtons. I tried 26 grains of Win 760 with hornady 25grain hps and got some better results with that(not that much better though only about 1.5 MOA). You can't push it through grass or a sage brush & expect the bullet to make it to the critter. This bullet is a plastic-tip, boat-tail design that is grain Speer TNT JHP bullet at a claimed MV of 2550 fps and ME of 245 Make sure to watch till the end. I later bought an OBrien rifle in .17 Mach IV, and after shooting it for about 10 years, I sold it to a collector. It is about 600 fps faster than the .17 Hornets and an honest 300 fps faster than the Mach IV and the Fireball. Javascript is required. If the rifle is accurate, one really has to be "off the playing field" to assemble handloads that won't shoot. H-4350 shot the bullets 98 fps faster than Accurate and 43 fps faster than IMR. The cartridge is available in bullet weights of 36 to 80 grains. rifles reviewed for Guns and Shooting Online, it The 220-grain bullet clocked 2,131 fps over 43.0 grains of LVR. This powder also flows precisely through a powder measure. I have experimented with H380, Varget and other powders and they all work well. 1-9/16"; mean average group = 1-1/4". Only a few other powders can beat that. : 2.150" Powder: 24.1 gr 25.9 gr Vel. At 200 yards, 2,781fps velocity is becoming slower but there is still 429ft/lb energy on tap. Oehler Model 20 chronograph with Model 50 electronic screens spaced 10 feet. We offer Hornady load data with over 180.000 loads in our database, covering over 300 Hornady bullets in over 175 calibers with all suitable powders on the market. The CCI TNT load uses a 17 grain Speer TNT jacketed The .17 caliber rimfire cartridges include the .17 M2, .17 HMR and .17 WSM. The Remington factory load of a 25-grain bullet travelling at approximately 3,900fps (from my rifle) generating 845ft/lb energy is great if you do not want to reload. with all common powders and bullets by clicking the "Loads in this caliber" button above. 10 MPH crosswind this bullet will drift 3.3" laterally at 100 yards and Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 0.69" (Remington) Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.73" (CCI) . Future Publishing Limited Quay House, The Ambury, Bath BA1 1UA. All shooting for record Today, the .35 Rem. I've used IMR 4350 and IMR 4831. Does anyone know how much smaller the volume is on this brass vs Rem brass? The trim die squeezes the neck down to .17 caliber, and its hardened surface allows squaring up the mouth of the case with a fine-tooth file. Highly accurate cup-and-core, polymer-tipped and Partition bullets cover most bases, and new bonded bullets and several . Additionally, ammunition for the .17 HMR is often somewhat cheaper, too; for instance, MidwayUSA lists loads priced from $10.99 to $14.99 per fifty-round package, with the leadless options comprising the . Accurate 2460 shot 20- and 25-grain bullets a good 250 fps faster than other powders loaded in the .17 Fireball, and with great accuracy. . Picked up a nice CZ 527 varmint a month ago. None of them ever did. I use IMR-3031 with a Hornady 25grHP bullet. largest group 2-3/4"; mean average group = 1-13/32". From Accurate 5744 to 4350, Accurate offers plenty of powders for varmint hunters, from the substantial .25-06 down to the pocket- sized .17 Fireball. Following is a brief description of each of the five September 21st, 2007 17 Rem Fireball Load Data Now Available Hodgdon powder has recently updated its interactive Reloading Data Center to include load information for the new 17 Remington Fireball. This the standard, not the Fireball. JavaScript is disabled. Typically, groups with each rifle are fired for record by three or four Guns and Shooting Online staffers and/or contributors. Ballistic coefficients of those with plastic tips are considerably higher than the hollowpoints. load exceeded its published MV by 45 fps, the Remington Premier load They just blow up! To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. The .32-40 and .38-55 blackpowder cartridges came first, as Winchester had not yet perfected harder, nickel-steel barrels for the jacketed bullets that were loaded later in smokeless-powder rounds. The testing was done over several range sessions. There are many .35 Rem. It was chambered for cartridges that were designed to be direct competitors of the M94s cartridges. (If you don't 100 yard groups running from .5 minute of angle (MOA) to .9375 MOA and 4831 is the better powder for the 25/06. A standard for the .35 Rem. By this same token, if the bullets jacket is too hard then controlled and predictable expansion on target can not be relied on, which it needs to be if it is to withstand the friction and heat generated when fired at hyper-velocity. Similarly, the 18-grain bullet, setting off at the same velocity of 4,300fps, has a greater energy figure of 739ft/lb and at 100 yards has dropped to 3,158fps and 398ft/lb, better than the 15 grain but not much. at 100 yards. Loads are also listed for the .219 Zipper and .225 Winchester, which are rarely seen in the varmint fields these days. Mag. air movement in the hills and it does enlarge .17 HMR groups. You need initial penetration before expansion within the vital area otherwise nasty surface wounds are all that prevail, and therefore I would stick to 20 grain or even 25 grain as a minimum for foxes (unless very close) and 15 grain to 18 grain for rabbits. When I prepare for the spring gopher campaign, I load a big batch of .223s with this powder and 40-grain bullets. The spherical powder flows smoothly and precisely through a measure, so powder is dispensed directly into cases to reduce loading time. They are accurate, flat shooting, quiet and have practically no England and Wales company registration number 2008885. like the weather in Eugene, wait a while and it will change.) In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. is short but more than adequate for the cartridges purposes. In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. According to the story, OBrien wagered that his guide could not kill the bear with his rifle in .17 Mach IVand lost the bet. Hornady 123-grain Spire Point bullets loaded over LT-32 and fired from a CZ 527 7.62 x39 formed this 100-yard group. It can be loaded in the .22 Hornet and in the .223 Remington with 55-grain and lighter bullets. Its the same powder as Ramshots X-Terminator. Loading the .17 is really good fun and today there are enough good bullet manufacturers producing high-quality bullets to get the best from the calibre. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. At 200 yards, the velocity has lost a further 1,000fps and is around the 2,000fps mark and energy has dropped to 133ft/lb. Choose the most accurate and effective bullet weight in your own gun. Hornady 75-grain V-MAX bullets shoot groups as tightly as .29 inch with the aid of A-4064. claimed MV of 2650 fps and ME of 264 ft. lbs. CCI BR-4. is readily suitable for shooters to load their own ammunition, and dies, other tools, and accoutrements are available, as are bullets especially designed for the round. difficult to compile. Accordingly, I sight-in my .17 HMR rifle to hit 1.5" high at At 100 yards, which is a realistic distance at which you are going to shoot, the velocity has bled off to 3,010fps and the energy figures have plummeted to just over 302ft/lb, which is more than half the available energy lost before it reaches the target at 100 yards. Berger bullet You must log in or register to reply here. 136 ft. lbs. place at an indoor range. Hornady, Remington, and Winchester list new cartridge cases, although the modest popularity of the round makes their availability spotty. Starting and maximum charges vary slightly in the Hornady manual, but no more than to be expected from different lots of the same powders or slight differences in barrels, cases and bullets. 223 Remington: 52 grain Berger MEF bullets, LaPua brass, Federal 205 M (match) primers and H 335 powder. readily available in our local area. This American-made, fast-burning, double-based powder is suited to small capacity cases like the .22 Hornet and 7.62x39, and it is also useful for lightweight bullets in the .223 Remington. The .35 Remingtons rim was slightly larger, at 0.460 inch, and the case was a little shorter, 1.92 inches versus 2.03 inches for the other Remington rounds. Accurate 4350 excels in .25-caliber cartridges. Both bullets are plenty accurate for big-game hunting. Accuracy was great, but velocity was slower than with other powders. A steadily mounting accumulation of data makes the following list possible. They are also very safe to shoot since the bullets do not exit the carcase and ricochets are non-existent just right for around the farm. accurate arms. Case life is long, and barrel life is normally around 7,000 or 8,000 rounds (at least for minute-of-varmint accuracy) due largely to the modest pressures and rather small powder charges. CCI A17: high 2813 fps; low 2742 fps; extreme spread Ultimately we fired a total of over 80 groups and 400+ Most Accurate powders are now made by General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems St. Marks Powder in Florida or Valleyfield in Quebec, Canada. That load will print right at 2.25" at 100 yards with me in the Creedmore position. There is only so much powder you can burn efficiently down that tiny barrel diameter, and because of this, very small changes of powder weights can give skyward pressures and inconsistency, therefore change your powder weights by 1?10th increments. chosen because it has a 24" barrel, the standard length used by most This medium-burning, double-base spherical powder works best in the .223 Remington shooting 55-grain and heavier bullets. recoil. 100 yards with the 17 Grain V-MAX bullet at a catalog MV of 2550 fps. Remington surprised everyone by legitimising the .17 by not domesticating the .17/223 cartridge, as expected, but by using the .223 case and pushing the shoulder back, therefore producing a longer neck. You won't be disappointed if you can find all the components. sport, so these results are more indicative of real world performance. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. The 7mm Remington Magnum is capable of pushing 160-grain bullets to 3,000 and even 3,100 fps, which makes it an excellent choice for deer and antelope hunting. rifle to do some accuracy testing to discover what load shoots best in Chamfer and deburr the mouth of the case, run it through the full-length resizing die and the case is ready for fire forming with a reduced powder charge (I use a 20-grain bullet seated over 11.0 grains of H4198). 24.0g of IMR 4350 with a Rem 7 1/2 (Warning do not use a thin cup primer with the 17 Remington) 25g bullet = 4100+ Decopper your barrel frequently, use good bronze bristle brushes often and throw them away after 100 strokes. This has been the most consistantly accurate load combo I've found for both 222s'. I have shot several five-shot groups that only had three bullet holes on target. With the Adaptive Tactical Tac Hammer barrel on a good, tight Ruger 10/22, these results are possible at a long 100 yards. You won't find a powder that will work "ideal" for both the .223 and the 25/06. 25, 50, 100, and 200 yards, but all of our shooting for record was done 3. Our .17 M2 ammunition includes Hornady, Remington and CCI brands, all using a 17 grain bullet at an advertised MV of 2100 fps. You find 3 loads in caliber .17 Rem. A few .12 and .14 calibers emerged, but those of .17 caliber ended up being the most popular. and similar-sized cases is good ol H4895. Today the problem is rectified by properly sourced kit but, as they say, mud sticks. In the course of accuracy testing the various .17 HMR This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. The .223 Remington is America's favorite cartridge according to rifle and ammunition sales. We have found the accuracy potential of all three cartridges to be excellent and essentially the same. extreme spread 92 fps; average = 2595 fps. This pleasant outdoor facility offers target stands at I really need to work up a load with some TAC. Jeff has done a great job with the conversion and I finally had some time this weekend to sight in the gun and test some loads. are the Speer 180- and 220-grain softpoint flatnose (SPFN). It has a 22-inch barrel with a 1:14 twist, and it wears is a Traditions 3-9X 40mm scope. #9. h1000, 160gr AB's, fed215's and good brass will get you what your looking for. In the course of our rifle reviews we ordinarily test for accuracy using as many different loads as possible and tabulate the results. By that time most of his hearing was gone, and his daughter would answer the phone and relay the conversation back and forth between her father and the caller. A 50-grain V-Max exiting the muzzle of a rifle in .223 Rem. All rights reserved. The M1903 Springfield, officially the United States Rifle, Caliber .30-06, Model 1903, is an American five-round magazine-fed, bolt-action service repeating rifle, used primarily during the first half of the 20th century.. 2525 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 241 ft. lbs. Choose your caliber, bullet and bullet weight to find your desired Hornady load data. 165 yards, for a MPBR (+/- 1.5") of 165 yards. gave us the best aiming precision. To achieve a balance between keeping the bullet together on firing while travelling up the bore, the bullet actually has to be tough around the jacket and therefore the tip is really the only area that can be fragile to initiate expansion. The .17 ballistics Neither the author nor Outdoor Sportsman Group assumes any liability for accidents or injury resulting from the use or misuse of this data. Powder and charge in grains: 70.7 grains of H1000 for 168s, 69.0 grains with 180s. CCI's published 100 yard The chronograph was Years ago, a friend who worked at Remington informed me that more Model 700 rifles in .17 Rem. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. I've managed to get 5 shot groups of .55" @ 100, and 1.70" @ 300. In an attempt to eliminate as much Accuracy for a charge of 44.0 grains of LVR was excellent at 0.90 inch. I once shot a nice 8-point whitetail buck at about 40 yards with the 220-grain SPFN, and it was a dramatic deer-drop. Subscriber Services. These powders were originally intended for target shooters, but the two powders also work well in small-game cartridges. With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! How does the performance of the .17s compare with .22 caliber varmint cartridges? REMINGTON Premier AccuTip-V: high 2626 fps; low 2591 The .35 Rem. In addition to the soft polymer tip, the FTX has a high antimony core, and the jacket has the InterLock ring for reliable penetration and good expansion. After firing many rounds through a Marlin Model 336, I have to say that LVR is far and away the best powder for this cartridge, but there are several other propellants that also work well. 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5 PRC: Which is Better? However, some Marlin Model 336s have been observed with very short throats that may contact the bullet when a cartridge is chambered. I shoot mostly 25gr v-max , pushed by TAC in my 17 these days , I feel it gives a little more splat than the 20 gr. Wind drift is the .17 HMR's Achilles heel. 17 Remington 20 Caliber: 20 Vartag 20 Vartag Turbo 22 Rim Fire: Testing The Effects Of The Hoen 4000 Plus Barrel Tuner On .22 Rimfire Accuracy Walther KK200 With Different Ammo At 50 and 100 Yards 22 Rim Fire Ammo Test Jun 13, 2012. If the rifles are compared based on the average group size achieved with their favored brand of ammo the results are as follows. I should add, that although the Berger's are a bit pricey, I think they are very much worth it. The Remington case is about 0.006 inch larger in diameter at its body/shoulder juncture, and its head-space dimension is about 0.004 inch longer. Chuck Hawks shares .17 Rifle Accuracy Test Results . Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.92", (TIE) CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 1.06", Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 1.08", (TIE) Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 1.13", (TIE) Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 1.16", Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 1.21", Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.25", Winchester 1885 Low Wall Hunter, .17 WSM - 1.25", Savage Model 93R17 Classic, .17 HMR - 1.31", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.44", Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.46", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.54", Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 2.05", Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 0.69" (Remington), Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.73" (CCI), Savage B.MAG Target, .17 WSM - 0.75" (Winchester), Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 0.80" (Remington), Remington Model 597 LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.84" (CCI), Browning T-Bolt Target/Varmint, .17 HMR - 0.88" (Winchester), Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 0.93" (Remington), Weatherby Mark XXII, .17 HMR - 0.94" (Hornady), CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 0.96" (CCI), Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.98" (Federal), (TIE) Marlin Model 917VS ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.0" (Hornady), Anschutz Model 1502 D HB, .17 M2 - 1.06" (Hornady), Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.13" (Hornady), (TIE) Savage Model 93R17-BTVS, .17 HMR - 1.17" (CCI), (TIE) Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.25" (Hornady), Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.27" (Hornady & Remington - tie), (TIE)Henry Golden Boy, .17 HMR - 1.40" (Remington), Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.47" (CCI), Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 1.5" (Remington). is a fine Coyote cartridge but also, this round doesn't chop wood at all. HORNADY Varmint Express: high 2698 fps; low 2621 fps; The first three were rimless versions of the Winchester cartridges, with slight dimensional changes, and had 0.421-inch rims. Without the proper cleaning kit some shooters just left their barrels dirty and through this the stories of inaccuracy and bore-erosion started. Ackley created his first .17 caliber wildcat by necking down the .30 Carbine case. The one I have now is a SAKO A1. The lighter bullet can be boosted by 46.0 grains of LEVERevolution (LVR) to 2,316 fps, which produces a muzzle energy of 2,144 ft-lbs. MagPro loaded in the .270 Winchester shot two different 150-grain bullets a touch slower than 2,900 fps.