I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. Rather, it's because those LEO P320 pistols are seeing much more physical action than ones carried by civilians. Here is a movie that he filmed 40 years ago and he was still raking it in. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. This gun had been voluntary upgraded. The Glocks lack of a manual safety has caused untold thousands of needless cripplings and death. But this time, the sound bites used were different. TidalWave Professional Aug 25, 2021 #17 Bassbob said: Somehow I seriously doubt the guns just shot themselves. (b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. As far as ships go, Im drawn to the original movie vessels because they look the most, to me, like something youd really see humans build in space in 300 years. They habitually use their customers as the product testers by selling what are essentially prototypes while quietly implementing rolling revisions. So, unlike the Serpa holster debate, Im a believer that there is more going on than meets the eye with the P320 and is exactly why I refrained from buying one, why I still wont own one, and why I steer people away from it. DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. My trust for Sig stopped after they produced the beloved Sig556xi Russian. The Glock fails on both counts. He wanted TTAG to convey that hes pro-Second Amendment. Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM If the P320 was so great then why did special forces go to the Glock 19? I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. I have no idea. Thats the American system at work in all its corrupt majesty. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? Even if it was an issue with the sear interface, there is still a firing pin safety that will not move unless the trigger is held firmly to the rear. That could happen easily. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. . The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. Sig can burn for all I care. I agree. When he put his hand on the grip, the weapon fired, according to the lawsuit. I dont own a Glock or a SIG and am not a fanboy of either. I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. Look a fanboy. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? Yes, a lot of police officers only shoot when they have to for qual. Because its flat out bull**it. As for the Serpa holster, this is a bunch of internet echo chamber BS that originated with Obama-era federal agencies putting a bad light on a good product in order to sway public opinion and thus damage the manufacturers bottom line. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. The Glocks trigger had caught on a fold in the leather holster and it pushed the trigger part way back. These suits allege that their ultra-popular P320 pistol can fire without the trigger being pulled. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! He said there has to be something wrong with the gun if this is happening to individuals with this amount of training, this amount of skill.. SIG Sauer, a German weapons maker with its U.S. headquarters in Newington, N.H., issued a statement Friday in response to a CBC News report earlier this week that revealed the Nov. 5, 2020, incident and the fact the weapon, the SIG P320, had been withdrawn from service while the military conducts an investigation. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. Canadian Special Forces Command has not said what caused the gun to go off unexpectedly, but the company said a conclusion has been reached. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. If its not legal momentum, it would have to be some other mechanism of failure.. SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. D. Heres the version of the report that ran later that night, during ABCs Nightline program . Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. Then after just three years without telling anyone they stopped all production including extra parts. It was at that point that I knew the gun had a design flaw. Theres still the P938 extractors snapping they refuse to acknowledge. No, it doesnt. Use a proper holster and follow other gun safety protocols. The new Kirk does suck. , 54 people all shooting themselves. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. These officers are not gunfighters. It did not originally have this. Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. Police Department, was wounded when his P320 duty gun discharged without a trigger pull while he was carrying it in a gym bag wrapped carefully with a cloth. Officer Collette was wounded in his left leg. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. Its just that with hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of more than one-third of the countrys population including a lot of cops some number of negligent discharges will inevitably happen. Dont quote the four rules of safety in your article when all the hotness in the gun world is appendix carry pointing something at an extremity and the photos you use showing front slide serrationsputting your hands fingers near the business end of the barrel, because press checks from the front is the way all the cool operator guys do it. What a wonderful parody of a MAC cultist! Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. Trust a P365 with your life. Plastic crap! As a result, the P320s were withdrawn from service, leaving the JTF-2 with their older P226s. Sig P320 is just one of many pistols with Safety related. Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. (a) A person commits an offense if the person recklessly discharges a firearm inside the corporate limits of a municipality having a population of 100,000 or more. After watching a friend get killed by a Remington 700 by another friend and the ensuing fallout 31 years ago I decided that I didnt care if the P320 was fixed, it was getting sold. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. They didnt have to, but did. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby. This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. TTAG talked to SIG Sauer about the P320 suits and the ABC reports. The probable reason that some folks are saying that the P320 is unsafe is that there was a lawsuit filed in federal court in July of 2020 (Guay v. Sig Sauer) alleging that the 320 fired "un-commanded" without a trigger pull while in a holster. That show with no Shatner-Kirk and only a Nimoy-Spock wouldnt have gotten past the first season. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. 3. Heres the version that ran Tuesday morning during the networks Good Morning America program . You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. Funny how that works. In the case of the 320, lightning is striking the same place an awful lot. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. The incidents occur outside the forbidden zone, as we disarm before we enter so we stay in assiduous compliance with their nonsensical requirement. Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. Stupid marine, cop, citizen, its their fault. 01:10. 2. They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. Its the expert who gets caught up in the routine and stops paying attention. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. Oh, if you another thread reader asking Wheres the Sig/Glock bashing? Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. I still own them all. Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. Where is this lightning striking twice? Aug 25, 2021 pluong91 said: Hello all users that plan on making a P320 Accidental Discharge Threads -We love our P320's and have done the research when these articles and lawsuits came out, we don't need you to tell us, we have done our due diligence. Many gun makers have had issues with drop firing, unintended discharge, bad safeties This is a resource I compiled of semi-auto pistols that have been recalled or Upgraded for Safety related problems like Drop Firing, Safeties that Malfunction, Risk of Accidental Discharge, etc. Weird how that might happen. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. 3) If the sear fails, there is the drop safety in the way of the striker. And the fact they used real models, and big ones, gives the ships a real sense of heft, mass, movement and solidity that the garbage CGI ships of the new movies just cannot remotely compete with. By hoping Sig gets taken down for the P320, theyre actually setting up their own pet brand to be the next on the chopping block. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit.